Very well argued. What strikes me most about this dire piece of legislation is the speed at which it has appeared. It is some 155 pages long, along with explanatory notes twice that length. It's not quite War and Peace, but there's no way it was written after December 14th. Unless it was written by AI, of course.
Everyone knows we need better policing, not more policing. But, just like Convid wasn't about health, this isn't about safety. Always about control. Every last manouver.
I disagree with the suggestion that the Bondi massacre was the consequence of Intelligence and Policing failure. They can't and won't catch everyone.
Rather, it's the consequence of failing to ban a pro-Death cult, as we have banned many dangerous cults before.
While the Quran exists, while the Islamic teachers are still allowed to educate the young with its literal lines, the next terrorists are rolling off the conveyor belt, and this Bill won't stop that.
There are always going to be men who read those 7th Century Quran lines and decide they have orders from Allah to 'take non-Muslim (sex) slaves' and kill every non-Muslim.
Australia needs to have a bigger discussion about whether Islam should qualify as a "religion" under the western tolerance concepts, promoting hate and destruction of anything other than itself, and whether it would fit into this Bill at all.
And I disagree with both the suggestion that Bondi was a “failure” of intelligence or the result of religious fanaticism, but rather that, like every other major alleged “terror attack”/“mass shooting” in recent history, all evidence points to a *successfully* staged false flag by the security services using patsies/scapegoats (whether witting assets, entrapped dupes, or mkultra drones - who knows?) in order to whip the population into a frenzy of fear, shock, anger, bloodlust, and division, and in that manufactured climate ram through long-planned/desired policies that remove more rights and freedoms, justify an ever more oppressive police state, serve as a pretext for military buildups and interventions (especially when in/by the US), and ultimately make the rich and powerful psychopaths who rule the world and are behind all these conspiracies even richer and more powerful. I assure you that if you took even the slightest bit of your time to calmly and critically examine the evidence of that and every other “deep event”, you’ll quickly realize the official narrative is bunk. We are in a world war, but the enemy isn’t immigrants or Muslims or your neighbor who voted for the other team, it’s the corporate/financial/billionaire transnational oligarchy that owns almost all the wealth in the world and controls every government and all major parties and the militaries and intelligence agencies and media and so on, who stage these events to sow chaos and confusion precisely to divert the attention and anger of the masses away from that reality and onto the “official enemy” du jour. Keep your eye on the ball, or soon you and and I and the rest of humanity will have lost the game (global class war).
A set up, or prompting, or encouragement by external interests is always a consideration. But such a game still needs extremist participants willing to die, and reflects a more general truth of what would/will happen if left unmanaged. The heart of man is Readily corrupted into violence, and the silencing of women is a necessary element.
Noting, the Bill was non-specific. It wasn't written FOR a planned and executed Bondi event. It didn't even wait for the trials or Royal Commissions to discover causes and motives of Bondi. It was there ready for any event.
Violent Islamic rhetoric was left unmanaged, perhaps to engineer exactly this outcome, perhaps for political voting block reasons, perhaps for agreed takeover of the country (who do we owe money to?), hard to say. But if it's shut down there are fewer excuses for further such management.
I'm always eager to see who the 'civilians' supporting these laws are. Lucy Turnbull ran out onto twitter, wanting the LGB+philia people 'protected' by the Bill as well, despite the T's engaged in massacres across the US. ONE Jewish grouping (ECAJ), those apparently consulted in the authoring of the Bill, also wanted the LGB+philias included.
At its heart this legislation shows you that extremist multiculturalism leads to a police state. It is not possible to have free speech and infinity multiculturalism at the same time, they are mutually exclusive concepts.
Excellent work, Rebekah and Andrew. Despite only 3 days of public consultation they were swamped with 5000+ submissions with report due Monday. It should be rejected outright.
Labor were clearly working on this legislation long before Islamists shot up Bondi and are using it as an excuse to evade scrutiny. And to look like they are "doing something" while studiously ignoring the Islamist ideology that motivated the attack.
Here is a charitable speculation. (Something for the conspiracy minded! :) ) Lets say you are a political party under pressure to appear to be hard on anti-"semitism" (nowadays aka Israel) and the financial implications of not responding to this pressure are large but you are actually reluctant to turn Australia into a police state. You might just put up some overly extreme legislation to appease those financial supporters but knowing it will be shot down in parliament. Then you declare "We tried!" and wait for public attention to move on ....
Knowing the normal Speed of NotMyGov.Con Pollies and crats operations & enlightenments, as equivalent to a Subterranean Mole with Alzheimers & osteoporosis > How'd 'They' Knock up this complex 'Bill' so quickly?? - Including Tangible/ Virtual Hate Crime and Signalling 'Coverages'. Someone's GOTTA get the Flouride & Alumina outa CAN'TBERRA'S Tap water! Please tell me they're in their ( Fl/Al) - the tapwater - as SOME form of 'Excuse'!
Last; IS this, the Worst piece of documentation EVER 'Proposed' or even 'Qualified' for presentation, in ANY 'Educated' Country on the Planet - Better Even include 'Retrospective' [Sic] History?
Pascal said, men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. The Bondi massacre happened because of radical Islamist preachers inciting Muslims in Australian mosques to carry out violent Jihad. It was against Jews at Bondi and it will be against every non-Muslim tomorrow.
I appreciate your attention to the evident harms of that Bill.
However, I am struck by your casting a tweet described by your own source link as saying "F--- Palestine. F--- Hamas. F--- Islam. Want to protest? F--- off to Muslim country and protest." as being purely a tweet critical of a political party. It is fairly evidently aimed at discouraging compassion towards Muslims in general and towards Palestinians (despite not all being Muslims) in particular. In the current climate, with those perceived as Muslims being especially likely to experience public harassment and assaults - women especially - this seems like a fairly harmful sort of public expression.
Whether or not the notoriously backward British police should be tasked with dealing with this kind of thing (while they enable British arms manufacturers sending weaponry to Israel, conducting harm of far greater scale) is of course another matter entirely.
Fair criticism, the tweet is also offensive towards Muslims and Palestinians in general, although:
"North confirmed to The Telegraph that although the meme contained offensive references to Palestine and Islam, officers in the interview at the station appeared preoccupied with the part directed at Hamas."
That said, it's unsavoury speech, not incitement to violence, so not the sort of tweet one should be arrested for.
It cannot be legally possible to enforce laws to salve everyone’s hurt feelings.
Unless there’s incitement to violence, which, by my understanding, is already illegal, then the words are just words and some people need to learn to build a bridge, and GET OVER IT.
I consider the Bondi massacre the responsibility of ALL Muslims.
After reading the Quran, which forbids a change to a single word, it's clear that ALL Muslims need to bite the bullet and say "No! Mohammed, we would like to live in peace in western countries where we need to be tolerant, so we are crossing out dozens of orders to enact violence against non-Muslims".
They need to fix that murderous, dominance-seeking, woman-abusing thing they call a religion, but which is actually a strategy for political conquest.
As I wrote below, there are Always going to be men who read those 7th Century Quran lines and decide they have orders from Allah to 'take (sex) slaves' of and kill all non-Muslims.
It seems to me to be a policing failure . By that I mean do these organizations ( ASIO, AFP and state police ) talk to each about these issues, I would believe they do and then if so what was done to remove the guns they knew they owned plus licensing.
Maybe they don’t talk to each but they need to. That is all the change I need to see.
As an example in the NT and probably in all states and territories if you have a domestic violence order against you. There may not have been any violence at all and you may have a clean criminal record. The police will do a search, if you have a gun license and own guns they will be taken from you. Depending on the eventual outcome you may or may not get your license and guns back.
If you want to know I am not talking myself but about the partner of my step daughter.
And Israel, as an avowed racist state that still hasn't been transparent about it's nuclear weapons projects was still allowed to enter the UN as a member. Logical huh?
Does Israel even have a political presence in OZ? Seems OZ might really consider the political removal of the source of much of the anti zionism. Since that political system celebrates the forceful displacement and politically sanctioned murder of others it's only logical.. In doing so would extreme attacks be preempted? It's just as relevant to discuss as the Problem-Reaction-Solution of legally constraining speech? Or even banning guns, knives, and soon perhaps hammers, scythes to make a place safe?
I find it very hard to understand OZ. Seems some sort of large weird psychology experiment, a human behavioral sink. Similar as one done in the mice experiment behavioral sink where to eliminate all stress ended up with the entire mouse societal collapse.
Very well argued. What strikes me most about this dire piece of legislation is the speed at which it has appeared. It is some 155 pages long, along with explanatory notes twice that length. It's not quite War and Peace, but there's no way it was written after December 14th. Unless it was written by AI, of course.
Not quite War and Peace 😅
And whilst both politicians and, no doubt, public servants, were all on holiday for Christmas.
They had this ready to go, just waiting for the right opportunity.
Just like the 363 page patriot act
Planned long ago by the totalitarian-wannabes. Not "War and Peace", just "War"...against US.
Everyone knows we need better policing, not more policing. But, just like Convid wasn't about health, this isn't about safety. Always about control. Every last manouver.
I disagree with the suggestion that the Bondi massacre was the consequence of Intelligence and Policing failure. They can't and won't catch everyone.
Rather, it's the consequence of failing to ban a pro-Death cult, as we have banned many dangerous cults before.
While the Quran exists, while the Islamic teachers are still allowed to educate the young with its literal lines, the next terrorists are rolling off the conveyor belt, and this Bill won't stop that.
There are always going to be men who read those 7th Century Quran lines and decide they have orders from Allah to 'take non-Muslim (sex) slaves' and kill every non-Muslim.
Australia needs to have a bigger discussion about whether Islam should qualify as a "religion" under the western tolerance concepts, promoting hate and destruction of anything other than itself, and whether it would fit into this Bill at all.
And I disagree with both the suggestion that Bondi was a “failure” of intelligence or the result of religious fanaticism, but rather that, like every other major alleged “terror attack”/“mass shooting” in recent history, all evidence points to a *successfully* staged false flag by the security services using patsies/scapegoats (whether witting assets, entrapped dupes, or mkultra drones - who knows?) in order to whip the population into a frenzy of fear, shock, anger, bloodlust, and division, and in that manufactured climate ram through long-planned/desired policies that remove more rights and freedoms, justify an ever more oppressive police state, serve as a pretext for military buildups and interventions (especially when in/by the US), and ultimately make the rich and powerful psychopaths who rule the world and are behind all these conspiracies even richer and more powerful. I assure you that if you took even the slightest bit of your time to calmly and critically examine the evidence of that and every other “deep event”, you’ll quickly realize the official narrative is bunk. We are in a world war, but the enemy isn’t immigrants or Muslims or your neighbor who voted for the other team, it’s the corporate/financial/billionaire transnational oligarchy that owns almost all the wealth in the world and controls every government and all major parties and the militaries and intelligence agencies and media and so on, who stage these events to sow chaos and confusion precisely to divert the attention and anger of the masses away from that reality and onto the “official enemy” du jour. Keep your eye on the ball, or soon you and and I and the rest of humanity will have lost the game (global class war).
A set up, or prompting, or encouragement by external interests is always a consideration. But such a game still needs extremist participants willing to die, and reflects a more general truth of what would/will happen if left unmanaged. The heart of man is Readily corrupted into violence, and the silencing of women is a necessary element.
Noting, the Bill was non-specific. It wasn't written FOR a planned and executed Bondi event. It didn't even wait for the trials or Royal Commissions to discover causes and motives of Bondi. It was there ready for any event.
Violent Islamic rhetoric was left unmanaged, perhaps to engineer exactly this outcome, perhaps for political voting block reasons, perhaps for agreed takeover of the country (who do we owe money to?), hard to say. But if it's shut down there are fewer excuses for further such management.
I'm always eager to see who the 'civilians' supporting these laws are. Lucy Turnbull ran out onto twitter, wanting the LGB+philia people 'protected' by the Bill as well, despite the T's engaged in massacres across the US. ONE Jewish grouping (ECAJ), those apparently consulted in the authoring of the Bill, also wanted the LGB+philias included.
At its heart this legislation shows you that extremist multiculturalism leads to a police state. It is not possible to have free speech and infinity multiculturalism at the same time, they are mutually exclusive concepts.
Excellent work, Rebekah and Andrew. Despite only 3 days of public consultation they were swamped with 5000+ submissions with report due Monday. It should be rejected outright.
Labor were clearly working on this legislation long before Islamists shot up Bondi and are using it as an excuse to evade scrutiny. And to look like they are "doing something" while studiously ignoring the Islamist ideology that motivated the attack.
I hope it's in the bin!
Great article, couldn’t agree more
Here is a charitable speculation. (Something for the conspiracy minded! :) ) Lets say you are a political party under pressure to appear to be hard on anti-"semitism" (nowadays aka Israel) and the financial implications of not responding to this pressure are large but you are actually reluctant to turn Australia into a police state. You might just put up some overly extreme legislation to appease those financial supporters but knowing it will be shot down in parliament. Then you declare "We tried!" and wait for public attention to move on ....
Too charitable.
You may be right on the money there. Placate the Lobby, while containing the fallout.
I hope you're right. But I doubt it.
Knowing the normal Speed of NotMyGov.Con Pollies and crats operations & enlightenments, as equivalent to a Subterranean Mole with Alzheimers & osteoporosis > How'd 'They' Knock up this complex 'Bill' so quickly?? - Including Tangible/ Virtual Hate Crime and Signalling 'Coverages'. Someone's GOTTA get the Flouride & Alumina outa CAN'TBERRA'S Tap water! Please tell me they're in their ( Fl/Al) - the tapwater - as SOME form of 'Excuse'!
Last; IS this, the Worst piece of documentation EVER 'Proposed' or even 'Qualified' for presentation, in ANY 'Educated' Country on the Planet - Better Even include 'Retrospective' [Sic] History?
Wellness - John D.
Pascal said, men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. The Bondi massacre happened because of radical Islamist preachers inciting Muslims in Australian mosques to carry out violent Jihad. It was against Jews at Bondi and it will be against every non-Muslim tomorrow.
I appreciate your attention to the evident harms of that Bill.
However, I am struck by your casting a tweet described by your own source link as saying "F--- Palestine. F--- Hamas. F--- Islam. Want to protest? F--- off to Muslim country and protest." as being purely a tweet critical of a political party. It is fairly evidently aimed at discouraging compassion towards Muslims in general and towards Palestinians (despite not all being Muslims) in particular. In the current climate, with those perceived as Muslims being especially likely to experience public harassment and assaults - women especially - this seems like a fairly harmful sort of public expression.
Whether or not the notoriously backward British police should be tasked with dealing with this kind of thing (while they enable British arms manufacturers sending weaponry to Israel, conducting harm of far greater scale) is of course another matter entirely.
Fair criticism, the tweet is also offensive towards Muslims and Palestinians in general, although:
"North confirmed to The Telegraph that although the meme contained offensive references to Palestine and Islam, officers in the interview at the station appeared preoccupied with the part directed at Hamas."
That said, it's unsavoury speech, not incitement to violence, so not the sort of tweet one should be arrested for.
It cannot be legally possible to enforce laws to salve everyone’s hurt feelings.
Unless there’s incitement to violence, which, by my understanding, is already illegal, then the words are just words and some people need to learn to build a bridge, and GET OVER IT.
I consider the Bondi massacre the responsibility of ALL Muslims.
After reading the Quran, which forbids a change to a single word, it's clear that ALL Muslims need to bite the bullet and say "No! Mohammed, we would like to live in peace in western countries where we need to be tolerant, so we are crossing out dozens of orders to enact violence against non-Muslims".
They need to fix that murderous, dominance-seeking, woman-abusing thing they call a religion, but which is actually a strategy for political conquest.
As I wrote below, there are Always going to be men who read those 7th Century Quran lines and decide they have orders from Allah to 'take (sex) slaves' of and kill all non-Muslims.
It's strange no? that "advocating genocide" - the biggest hate crime of them all - appears nowhere in this bill.
I wonder why that was left out. 🤔
https://substack.com/@onged/note/p-184774803?r=plm0p&utm_source=notes-share-action&utm_medium=web
It seems to me to be a policing failure . By that I mean do these organizations ( ASIO, AFP and state police ) talk to each about these issues, I would believe they do and then if so what was done to remove the guns they knew they owned plus licensing.
Maybe they don’t talk to each but they need to. That is all the change I need to see.
As an example in the NT and probably in all states and territories if you have a domestic violence order against you. There may not have been any violence at all and you may have a clean criminal record. The police will do a search, if you have a gun license and own guns they will be taken from you. Depending on the eventual outcome you may or may not get your license and guns back.
If you want to know I am not talking myself but about the partner of my step daughter.
And Israel, as an avowed racist state that still hasn't been transparent about it's nuclear weapons projects was still allowed to enter the UN as a member. Logical huh?
Does Israel even have a political presence in OZ? Seems OZ might really consider the political removal of the source of much of the anti zionism. Since that political system celebrates the forceful displacement and politically sanctioned murder of others it's only logical.. In doing so would extreme attacks be preempted? It's just as relevant to discuss as the Problem-Reaction-Solution of legally constraining speech? Or even banning guns, knives, and soon perhaps hammers, scythes to make a place safe?
I find it very hard to understand OZ. Seems some sort of large weird psychology experiment, a human behavioral sink. Similar as one done in the mice experiment behavioral sink where to eliminate all stress ended up with the entire mouse societal collapse.
There are sufficient laws on the books already . The Bondi terrorist flew an ISIS flag at the bloody protest.
The police did bugger all, what are laws for if the police refuse to implement them?